The Tea Parties. Anyone going?
As most of you have probably heard, there are going to be Tea Parties held throughout the country on April 15. The events are being billed as non partisan though admittedly, conservatives are probably more sympathetic to the cause. That being out-of-control government spending. Actually I like the idea of Liberals and Conservatives putting aside their differences for something this important.
Unfortunately my work prevents me from attending one in my area - Charlotte, NC. I just took an unpaid vacation and cannot afford to stick around until the 15th, but I'm eager to hear about anyone else attending.
Unfortunately my work prevents me from attending one in my area - Charlotte, NC. I just took an unpaid vacation and cannot afford to stick around until the 15th, but I'm eager to hear about anyone else attending.
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Permalink Reply by Darcy Lagana on
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Fascism is a radical, authoritarian, and nationalist ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[5] Fascists believe that nations and races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in combat against the weak.[6] Fascist governments forbid and suppress all criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.[7]
Contrary to your opinion, it is not even close to socialism. We were in a facist regime, we might move out of it if we restore civil liberties.
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Persson on -
Please Darcy. Hyperbole aside, the point of the Tea Parties is the reckless government spending that will bankrupt this country and endanger the future of all our children. Thanks for contributing.
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Just seems odd that nobody noticed the reckless spending before now...but unfortunatley that is not what they are promoting here...I think that the issues should be the issue, not whose doing it that's all.
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Persson on
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Actually most conservatives did take President Bush to task for his spending, but also it is the House of Representatives that is responsible for spending according to the Constitution . It's just that Bush never even bothered to veto much of those spending bills. In fact he introduced entitlement programs that made us conservatives gag, (like the Medicaid prescription program).
However now the problem is mush worse. It's not only the sheer amounts of monies being spent, but what it's for. Bailing out failing banks and car companies and at the same time taking control of the businesses. This is not what America is about. This is the conservatives' perspective.
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Permalink Reply by Fang1944 on -
Obama advocates a health reform program that was previously advocated by people like Teddy Roosevelt and Richard Nixon, and that makes him a communist, a socialist, and a fascist all at once?
Gee, we used to think the John Birch Society was looney. Now they'd almost seem normal.
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Persson on
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I guess punctuality isn't your strong suit 3rd guy. Actually, I've fallen off the Red State Universe myself lately. No excuse, just lazy. I think I have an idea for a thread. Check it out and I hope to hear from you. Take Care.
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Permalink Reply by Action Jeans on -
Pictured: The direct ancestor of the modern tea-party movement.
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Permalink Reply by Hillbilly on -
Do you think I'm a racist if I agree with the tea party protests even if I think the protesters are a bunch of dorks?
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Permalink Reply by Action Jeans on
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No. I would never assume that. I don't think that I implied anything like that about anyone here. You've never given me any reason to believe that. That's not the point of what I posted.
It's just a little history of the Conservative movement for the sake of perspective. This is our history as Americans and it would be a disservice to our past not to recognize it for what it is. We're looking at the birth of the Christian Right and the Moral Majority in that picture. Those are fires that were stoked and utilized by Nixon and his "Southern Strategy" and we see shades of that strategy in the current movement.
I do think that many protesters are motivated by more than they are admitting. I think that what is sincerely the main issue for some is actually little more than a pretense for many others. I think that among the well meaning - who really believe what they are saying - are those who simply see an opportunity to express some of the hatred that is seething inside them.
I just think everyone should understand the roots of the what's going on right now. It has many of the same earmarks and I don't think it's a coincidence. Is everyone involved aware and conscious of those roots? I don't think so. There has been a lot of work done over the years to distance the conservative movement from segregation.
Yet some are aware and they remember and they see their chance. I live in Texas, man. I talk to these people every day. I know how they talk when they think no one is listening. Do you think there's no overlap between all the racist comments you see under any video of Obama on YouTube and the people showing up at the tea parties? I'm just saying, be honest to yourself about it. Not everyone's intentions are as honorable as yours.
I've had conversations with people registered on this very forum who would never openly post a racist message online, but had no problem using racial slurs via pm. I'm not naming names but it's gotten ugly.
You know as well as I do who some of these characters really are and what they really believe. They say that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so people should think about what kind of friends they are making at these rallies. They might not be the kinds of friends you want.
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Permalink Reply by Hillbilly on
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About those "things I must admit" and "you know as well as I do", no I don't have to admit them and I don't know them as you do. I think there are some hateful people in this world who hope that they can find some meaning in their lives by calling others racist.
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Permalink Reply by Action Jeans on
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So you're saying you've never met a racist? You've been extraordinarily lucky.
That racism doesn't exist? Maybe our definition of a racist differs.
That you are certain no one involved in the tea party movement might have ulterior motives? I think that's extremely unlikely. No, I take that back. It's demonstrably not true.
That link is to the forums for Stormfront, a white supremacist website. They are discussing the tea party rallies and how they can use them as an excuse to drum up support for Neo Nazism.
quote from "the Shrike":
...estimates are there could be 100's across the country. What's so encouraging is that the organizers and participants are pre-dominantly whites. The remnants of traditional 1950's. Old white America. The historical, traditional population.
[...]Hopefully the beginning of a sense of ethno-centrism.
quote from "Whites Forward"
Who says we're going in with only a focus on taxes, or that many of the folks in these protests aren't also concerned about our people to some degree?
Go where our people are starting to stand up around symptoms of the problem, and INTERVENE to guide them. Just because these started as an anti-tax protest doesn't mean that they must be limited and can't be developed upward toward an explicitly racial mass struggle. At the very least, you will find some Whites who are receptive...you will make gains one way or the other. But you must take the field and and throw OUR ball. Let our folks know that they have champions who see the cause of this mess and are building an alternative to resolve the real problem.
Oh, and so what if some of the leaders of these things might not like your intervention. We are their replacements, and they will realize the foreshadowing before most of our own race-conscious folks do.
quote from "Falcon2488":
After Obama was elected millions of white people became more aware of things - or angered - I wouldn't use the term "woke up" because this is not the case.
We had and still have the opportunity here to recruit millions to the cause of liberating America, of laying the foundations of a new third party.
[...]The direct approach to spreading our views does not work well (as a member of NA you must know form sure how much of a bitch it is to get new members despite presenting the most cristal-clear truth, the highest standards in in all matters of presenting it).
[...]Positive things are difficulkt to sell - you can't make people love their race, country, or nation, and positive matters cause factionalism since everyone has his own vision - you can make everyone hostile towards a common enemy (this is why during WW2 all commie organisations all of a sudden became "anti-fascist")
keep it negative - in this case the slogens would be blacks are racist criminals, and liberalism is racism against white people [...] and keep it simple (example from our enemyes "hitler is evil" - from ww2 - that's sijmple and negative)
[...]avoid no-no's - in america this is 1)"racism" - and use of the word "race" "jew" - even people who are anti black or anti-jew do not want to be racist - it's ok to be anti balck but not a "racist" - avoid this fortification - be a racist without being a "racist" 2) extreme solutions genocide deportations)
quote from "Jered Syn":
No Socialism, No Illegal Immigration, No Obama!
quote from "Hilliard":
Could this be the start of a revolutionary war here in the USA?
Read the rest for yourself if you need more proof. I can't anymore. It's already made me sick to my stomach.
This is why it's so unbelievable to sane people that anyone could have the balls to compare Obama to Hitler. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so fucking reprehensible.
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